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GUIDE only :

Use the information below as a broad guide only.

It will be helpful in getting you started.

I do visit Bangkok infrequently , and then personally update info below. Otherwise updates are based on regular second hand reliable sources.

"Reviewed" (below) means info re-read and adjusted where necessary.

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Another way of updating info is via YOUR 'Field Reports" , sent in on return from trips overseas.

Fellow Mongers will appreciate any info you can supply.

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Overall , you should not rely on any one website for accurate/up to date info. Scour the Internet and draw your own conclusions : )

NOTE : The original 1am curfew for nightspots , varies a bit from town to town , nowadays. But the authorities seem to focus mainly on the 'lewd' GoGo Bars. Freelancers on the street and Disco's seem to be able to circumvent the 1am curfew in most towns/cities. There are other establishments that 'bend the rules' , sometimes only temporarily , until they are caught up with. Thailands sex scene is very fluid/spermatic : )

UPDATES : Reviewed September 2008

Check "Field Reports - Thailand" for the possibility of fresher info/updates (doubtful .... so far , very few people are contributing to Thailand Field Reports).

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The currency quoted on this website is the Thai Baht. For conversion to your local currency refer to : www.xe.net/ucc

MAPS : In the "Bangkok Basics" (Hotels Restaurants) link we discuss which Maps to buy and where you can buy them. We suggest you buy one of the maps mentioned there , and use it in conjunction with the rudimentary maps that follow :

BEER BARS : First we will start with the more relaxed, laid back Beer Bars , which are mostly Freelancer Bars , in reality.

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BLOW JOB BARS

Star of Light - See GoGo Notes for detailed info. Located in Patpong .2. GoGo area. Seems to be the most popular BJ Bar in Bangkok. Not so convenient if living in Soi3/4 area however. Worth the trip there ? Most would say yes : )

Lolita's - Soi .8. (see Map 4 below for Soi.6 just before Soi.8). This place has location , location for those living in Soi3/4 area.

Hours : Approx 11am to 1/2am. Entering from Sukhumvit Rd , walk down Soi 8 to Corleones Restaurant on the left hand side about 100 mtrs down. Almost opposite the Restaurant and on your right is a little Soi (Alleyway/Street) , the second one on your right from Suk' Rd. Walk down this Soi and towards the end and on your left you will see Lolitas big sign. The most convenient vacuum cleaning service/BJ Bar spot in the Sukhumvit area. nice air con , nice mini bar and lounge chairs. When I was there , Cashier has a sense of humour and knows what she is doing (collecting money and not bj : ). Nice ambience.

When doing the deed curtains seperate you from others. Baht700 to the Bar (Maybe Bt800 during high season) and a tip of Baht1/200 to the girl/lady. Sex is additional Bt1000 same room as BJ or Bt1500 if you do it on 3rd Flr w' amenities. Some of the gals/ladies here , are not very pretty or attractive compared to other venues , but you don't go there to kiss them do you : )

They have upstairs short time/ST rooms at Bt1500 room and gal. Make sure there is no bar fine added to that . Report to us if there is. If you take the girl back to your Hotel room , you pay Bt700 Bar Fine plus Bt1000 to the girl (3 hours).

On exiting Lolita's you could learn a new way of finding the place. Turn left on exiting the front door and follow your nose (walk straight ahead) until you come to a T (you cant go any further) thats Soi.4. Saves walking along Sukhumvit Road next time.

For clarification and latest info , check their website : www.lolitasbangkok.com Note : There is also a Lolita's in Pattaya nowadays. Staff from bangkok rotate with Pattaya.

Patpong - See Go-Go Patpong link/info where 2/3 'infamous' BJ Bars are in full swing.

Pattaya - is quite popular for BJ Bar action also. See Pattaya Nightlife info for details.

Other Towns/Cities : Bangkok and Pattaya are the most famous for their renowned 'vacuum cleaning' services. I do not know of any specialist bj bars elsewhere in Thailand , but no doubt they exist somewhere.

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Freelance spots in BANGKOK where you can find

HOOKERS for SEX :

DANCE FREELANCE spots:

The 1am closing time does always apply to Disco's. Depends on varying factors.

Discos - An alternative way of finding your ‘dream girl’ , so long as you dont mind the thump thump of the music , admission charge , and expensive drinks.( Coke sometimes Baht 100/150 or more ) . Not all the girls at the disco’s listed herein are ‘on the make’, some of them are simply good girls out for a bit of fun. Also, always be on the alert for Katoeys , who sometimes ply their trade at Disco's. Thai’s are very conservative in public , but within the private confines of a disco they quite often let their hair down. An interesting study.

This is one area the Govt Authorities will find difficult to curtail. Possibly they are not overly concerned about Disco's or any dance pick up joints cause they are not so much 'in your face' as Go-Go's , with their tendency towards sex shows and nudity. Think you will find the Disco way of picking up a nice lay will grow in popularity , especially if the Govt keeps harrassing Go-Go's and other high profile venues. You don't have to dance cause its a disco , all you have to do is .... pay (the girl : )

No.1 on the Map above: Angels Disco - , aka , Nana Disco/Love Club - popular hookers disco.

UPDATE : Prices increases have reduced the popularity of Angels in recent years. Some nights nearly empty. Friday nights are still apparently good.

Located at Nana Hotel, Sukhumvit Soi 4 ie Soi Nana. Enter main entrance to Nana Hotel. To the left of the Reception Desk and further down is a Bar on the left , which doubles as a good observation post, watching the girls entering the Disco or alternatively catch them leaving 2am on. A little further on and straight ahead is the entrance to Angels Disco itself. There is a 'Love Club' sign at the entrance.

Disco hours 9pm to 2am. Not affected by 1am closing. Best arrival time : 11pm , no seats left by then (See Update above) , but you don’t want a seat. If you sit down you miss too much. My favourite standing spot was 2/3 metres from the entrance on the left hand side. Lots of ladies passing to and fro at that spot. Some entering, some going to the toilet (outside) and some just circling around like 'sharks' : ). If you prop at the bar, you will miss this moving traffic and have a lot less to choose from. Unless you too become a 'shark' and circle around : )

Nowadays there is an entrance fee of Baht400 , which includes one 'free' beer/drink. Free entrance to Nana Hotel guests , on flashing room key. Girls free = lots of girls (2/300 , but see Update above). The pace picks up 11pm on . 12m/n - 2am at its peak. Note : Nana does not close until 2am. Popular , and a good pick up place every night (see Update above) - Friday , Sat and Sunday nights especially so. Most (98% ?) of the ladies here are ‘on the make ’ but possibly not all . Must admit I did not see any non 'practitioners' on my visits.

As I said before, there is a Bar on the left before the Disco entrance. It's a potential observation post and possible pick up spot. If you see a cutie heading for the disco doors motion her to join you , buy her a drink and assess the situation. Alternatively scoop them when they exit at 2am empty handed. So many possibilities , so little time : ) Beers were cheaper at the Bar too 100Bt , plus youve got brighter lights to inspect the merchandise entering/leaving , and no thumping music 'n crush to contend with : )

Cost inside Disco - Take the following as a guide : ....Entrance : Bt400. .....Beer : After first 'free' drink its Bt160. Girls : Short Time 1/1500. ....Long Time 1500/2000. ......Yes you can find good looking girls in Angels , although it's really a lucky dip. Some nights plenty of lookers , other nights very few if any. Depends how much ya drink I suppose : )

Angels website : www.nanadisco.com

See if website has latest prices , and email us if dif to above.

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No.2 on the Map above = NanaE3 Overhead Skytrain Station. Embark here for Narcissus Disco.

No.3 on the Map above = AsokE4 Overhead Skytrain Station. Disembark here for Soi.23 and Narcissus Disco.

No.4 on the Map above = Pegasus Club. Only placed on this map for those interested to locate it. Nothing to do with Disco's. See way down below "Expensive Bordello" for info on this high priced escort/whore house.

No.5 on the Map above = Narcissus Disco - At the back and to the left hand side of Pegasus. Baht550 entrance = three free drinks. I think it was Bt100 a beer thereafter. Great decor , atmosphere and non commercial feel about the place. On the night I was there lots of 7's and 8's and even the occasional 9. Spotted a 9.25 and a 9.50 there too : ) Foreigners in a smiley mood have some chance here , but the audience in the main is well to do Thais. Maybe 1% are hookers , maybe not. All girls are hookers if they see what they like. It could be you : )

Call weekends , other nights no good. Its a weekend disco. Tread warily at Narcissus. The girls boyfriend might be in the loo or something. Observe for sometime before making a move. If the gal is giving you the eye its generally the green light for a 'move'. No 'eye' no 'move'.

For me (oldie) not a pick up place , but a great voyeurs disco. I really enjoyed my time there. Finished 2.30am. Read "Fishin for Fun-2" for more on Narcissus.

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Now we discuss Hard Rock Cafe , CM2 , Spasso and Riva's.

Getting to them :

Re the first three , you catch the Sky Train (BTS) at Phloen Chit E2 Station (Baht 20/25 ticket) , No.1 on the Map below , to Siam Square Station No.3 on the Map below , and exit the left side of N1 Siam Station, turn right at bottom of Station stairs and walk short distance past Soi’s 5 & 4 to Soi.3. , No.4 on the Map below. Walk to the end of Soi.3. and at the corner , look to your right and you will see a building not far off , on the left side , with a very large "Save the Planet" sign across the top of Hard Rock building. To the side of that building you'll see a "Rock Hard" neon sign. Note - Soi 1 starts on left of our screen , Soi 6 is where CM2 is located (No.6 on the Map).

An alternative to the train is to catch a 50Baht taxi ex Soi.4 area. For the kind of money you are about to spend (Baht150 or more a drink) at these joints , you might as well taxi on over , and just say to the driver "Rock Hard Cafe ... Siam Square" , that should do it. Alternatively , get your Hotel Front Desk to write it down in Thai language for taxi driver.

No.5 on the Map below : Hard Rock Cafe. Excerpt from my "Fishin for Fun-2" Diary Oct 2005 :

"Baht250 entrance = 1 free drink. I enter , walk upstairs and confirm family type tourists in the main upstairs , whores and whoremongers down stairs. Downstairs I go. At 9.15pm there is not a single seat left. Two or three falangs are sitting by themselves at a four chair table. I know what they are up to .. they expect some honeys to approach them later on , asking permission to sit at their table. Devious : )

Get a Kloster Beer and stand at edge of bar , almost falling off onto lower level below me. Hardly even standing room in the place. I check the chicks out , they check me out. I would say at that time of night .. 40/50 chicks , maybe more , and standard 'ok'. Believe they ask Bt2/3000 ST , wouldnt pay it , same bodies at Angels Disco. Suspect there is mass migration across to CM2 around 10.30pm - 11pm ? Anyway , Hard Rock is worth a visit , say 11pm onwards. Should be some talent there by then . Remember , only the ugly ones arrive early : )"

No.6 on the Map above : CM2 - This is a popular pick up Disco with plenty of babes.

Note : I was at CM2 9.30pm to 2am in Sept/Oct 2005 (and again June 2006) See "Fishin for Fun-2" (and FFF4) for more comment about CM2.

After leaving Hard Rock Cafe, if you walk back towards the direction from which you originally came, you will come across the CM2 Nightclub/Disco on the corner of Soi.5. It’s below street level , under the Novotel Siam Hotel ("Lotus Novotel Siam Square Hotel"). Facing Novotel its a side entrance to your left in Soi.5 itself . There are steps leading down , under the Hotel. Walk down the steps , like entering a cave, to the ticket sellers . Arrive around 10/10.30pm for a choice of seats. Baht650 entrance = 2 drinks. Bt130 regular brands of beer , Bt190 Klosters (and maybe others). But there might have been a drinks price increase since my last visit.

Nice layout and seating for possibly 3/500. In recent years the % of non hookers looking for fun has reduced significantly and also the % of 'lookers' has reduced. These 'missing people' must have migrated to some other place. My guess is the place became too much of a hookers haunt and the better ones have migrated to elsewhere , but I dont know where. Possibly Spasso's ? see below. My guess is .. 98% at CM2 are hookers , maybe higher than that. The non hookers have migrated away from CM2. Quality of Mongers has also declined. Even so , if your not as fussy as me , you will find adequate numbers of cuties to amuse you.

Is it worth the entrance and drinks price ? Well on that same trip I saw just as good at Angels Disco , and Angels is cheaper and much more convenient (location). Yet on trip before that , yet again , Angels was lacking. Lucky dip fella's , lucky dip. Move around to locate your 'quarry'. Dont get stuck at any one place. Remain flexible , your 'gem' is waiting for you , somewhere : ) UPDATE : Last trip quality at CM2 was nothing to write home about. Angels is closer to Soi3/4 and just as good a selection , methinks. Try both : )

Girls will ask more here (up market environment) than say Angels. Are they worth it ? Well , they are more sophisticated than the Angels girls. But there are Angels girls with the same face and body as the CM2 girls. If you prefer fucks over sophistication , I'd put my money on Angels. Note : Always be wary of the 'good girl' who might be unaware of the pick up scene at CM2. Go slowly , dont bother mentioning money , take her home , bang her brains out and slip Bt2000 into her bag before she leaves. It's not the vogue to talk 'money' at CM2 , but you can just the same.

Sunday nights are supposed to be well catered for , and Monday night is ladies night (free entrance for babes).

No.7 on the Map above :Spasso Nightclub.

NOTE : All the following info has been collected 'second hand'. Never heard enough good stuff about the place to ever want to visit it personally.

This one is in the basement of the Grand Hyatt Erawan Hotel, near corner of Ratchadamri and Ploenchit Roads. Not far from the World Trade Centre and/or Novotel. By this time, Angels was beckoning me and so I did not check it out. Got a feeling it's not for me. Apparently entrance at Spasso's Friday & Sat is Baht 750 after 10pm , which includes the first two drinks. Thereafer your beer will cost you Bt300. Possibly no cover charge and not as much action Mondays to Thursdays. The Freelancers here are asking as much as Baht 2000 min Short Time and 3000 min LT and more. With deft bargaining they can be had for Bt2000 LT , depends on how you appeal to the girl and how biz for her is (other suitors ?). General opinion is they are a little older and overpriced , compared to CM2 (see above). Sundays its quiet. Some of these girls could be ex Go-Go girls , dressed in evening gowns , trying to recoup the extra cost of operating out of such an expensive place (Spasso). Watch the ones nursing a drink, they are most probably there to hook someone. High class hookers by price only ? What is 'high class', the price or the person ? UPDATE : They dont necessarily 'nurse a drink' anymore and might even approach you , ie , becoming more 'active'. Always be aware that not every single girl there is a hooker. Look for the signs : )

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Boss Disco - Not far from Soi.4 action area. All taxi drivers know it (they get a commission). Seems it goes to 4/5am or beyond. Experience it whilst it lasts (whilst it continues to bribe the authorities : ) Mix of good girls and hookers. More hookers than good girls , I suspect : ) Popular.

Riva's -

NOTE : All the following info has been collected 'second hand'. Never heard enough good stuff about the place to ever want to visit it personally.

Similar to Spasso in style , operation and prices , except Ladies might cost a little less. Not so well regarded as Spasso's though. Babes operating out of here considered a little older and overpriced when compared with a place like CM2 (above). Located ground floor in the Sheraton Grande in Sukhumvit , between Sois 12 and 14 (opposite Robinsons on the other side of the road , corner Soi.17). Places like Spasso's and Riva's have style but do not represent value for money. Personal opinion : ) Quiet on Sundays. UPDATE : They have started charging Bt500 entrance fee = 2 drinks , but this might up the cost of the ladies. There are better places , eg CM2 for budget upscale , or Angels for budget medium scale. Prices might have increased even further in recent times : )

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This concerns places where there is no loud music and there is no dancing. Best falang tailored spots are Nana Hotel Parking Lot 2am ; Soi.7 Bier Garten ; Thermae (traditional and voyeuristic) or Grace Coffee Shop. Siam Hotel Coffee Shop is another worth checking out too (Non English speaking , but one of my favourites).

Note - previous security tips re Freelancers. You’ve got no recourse with these Ladies. They can disappear into the night and you will never find them. Hygiene checks ? - no. Complain to mama-san about poor service ? - no , no mama-san to complain to. Have they stolen from other Freelance customers before ? No one would know.

Its a real gamble with freelancers, but we 'mongers are gamblers by nature anyway. Try and get the odds in your favour as best you can . Shop wisely - no refunds , no returns : )

No.1 on Map number four below : Nana Hotel Parking Lot - An alternative to Thermae or Grace.

Update : There are less girls in parking lot itself nowadays. Maybe police and/or Hotel owners organised this. Numbers consequently down a bit. Still girls hanging around on footpath at Parking Lot entrance. Definitely worth a check out.

When the Angels Disco closes down (2am) ... read Update above first ... 1 - 200 girls come streaming out and start hanging around , initially inside Nana and then later outside on the nearby footpaths. Time to pounce ? ! : ) Cause it's 2am in the morning or later , Baht700/1000 ST (Short Time) and Baht1500/2000 LT (to sun up or say 9am at a stretch) will suffice. Naturally they ask for more , up to Bt2000 (ST) ! If you look hungry they will ask for more , if they look hungry you will offer less. "Don't look hungry" : ) Note : Beware of Katoeys in this and NEP areas. Early hours of the morning when mongers are drunk , Katoeys pounce. Quite often with intent of eventually robbing you in some way.

As you can see in Update above , numbers down nowadays , but still enough there to check out.

No.2 on Map number four below : Grace Coffee Shop - Location Soi.3 . Enter Grace Hotel. UPDATE : Read update below first.

On entering Hotel go to left side of Front Desk , down the stairs to your left , into the basement and the Coffee Shop on your left , open to 6am. I called there around 12m/n-1am once and was surprised with : 1. lack of girls (15 or so only ) 2. very poor furnishings and condition of 'Coffee Shop' itself. Its nothing like what you'd expect a 'Coffee Shop' to look like. More of a bare 'barn' look. Perhaps the Disco/Show Place to right of Cof Shop entrance is a better chance ? I had a peep in the door saw lots of Middle Eastern men and folks sitting around in the dark watching a 'show'. Not my scene , didnt enter. After my next trip I will give my final verdict on Grace Cof Shop , but it looked 'bad' Sept/Oct 2005.

Grace Prices - Similar to Bier Garten and Thermae , ie , ST 500 LT 1000. You can pay more if you want : ) Note - it's hardly long time when your chatting her up at 2am or later. Adjust pay accordingly : )

UPDATE : On my last three visits to Grace Cof Shop I can safely say "forget it". Small number of overweight (for Arabs) b grade chicks only.

Bamboo Bar : Apparently in front of Grace Hotel and open to 5am , Freelancers. Never been there myself , suspect b grade as with rest of Grace.

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No.3 on Map number four below : Gullivers - Soi.5. , off Sukhumvit Road , about 125mtrs up on the right hand side , big neon sign on building. Bars and Pool Tables. Free Newspapers and free Internet connection. Respectable folks sitting outside , not so respectable Mongers and Freelancers inside : ) Big building , quality furnishings. Quite a contrast with Bier Garten in Soi.7. and Gulliver girls are therefore ' aloof ' by comparison. They do not necessarily make eye contact with ya' , especially the girls playing pool. Ones sitting at tables are more likely to check ya out. For a lad on a short vacation with limited time , maybe the less sophisticated Bier Garten is better , as the girls there waste no time there letting you know they are interested : )

Even though Gullivers is relatively 'sophisticated' , check your bills and watch your valuables. The girls here ask Baht1500/2000 ST (Short Time). Worth it ? Personally , I do not think so , I'd give em Baht1000 ST. I dont pay for sophistication , I pay for sex : ) Sometimes same girls can be seen in nearby Bier Garten (see info this page) and vice versa , Bier Garten girl in Gullivers (exception) , looking for an ATM (you).

UPDATE : After numerous visits I really rate this place as 'weak' for a pick up. For example 12m/n on the joint can be empty. I have never ever seen it 'rage' , never ever. A meeting spot for the girls before they migrate to CM2 , Spasso (disco's) wherever (?)

No.4 on Map number four below : Bier Garten Soi.7. - see under "Beer Bars" above for the info on Bier Garten. At least x 20 times more "no bullshit" girls on offer at Bier Garten. Quality varies with the odd nice one here and there (Bier Garten).

Apparently in Soi 7/1 , there is a place called Tequila Dragon, with Pool and Freelance girls. Big bonus is .... very late closing hours.

Soi. 3 to Soi 15 : Street Pick Ups - See Sois 3 - 15 on Map.4 above. A very busy area 1am onwards. If your interested in attractive girls or 'lookers' , I can tell you now you will not find em here. Exceptions might prevail from time to time , of course.

Firstly, make sure it is a girl and not a he/she (katoey) that you are looking at , especially along Sukhumvit Road near corner of Soi 4/3 in the early hours of the morning. The later it gets the higher the ratio of katoeys. Katoeys are targeting drunk mongers , possibly for the wrong reasons (theft).

Bt500/700 Short Time Bt1000 Long Time is the correct rate for these desperate souls. They are the bottom of the barrel. Watch your valuables with this lot. Exceptions always prevail. On odd occasions you can secure a nice one , but don't bet on it : ) Definitely condom time , definitely.

Broadly speaking the first two/three hundred metres of either side of Sukhumvit (odds side better) heading South-East (towards Soi Cowboy) from the corner of Soi4/3 is the beat for these 'desperate' girls. Odds side of the road is where it all happens , though.

Significant number can be found between Soi's 3 and 5 . Although you will also come across street touts in the same area trying to sell you this or that , or just simply trying to rip you off in some way.

Further down the odds side of Sukhumvit is the Ambassador Hotel and an outdoor foodcourt which is supposedly a pick up spot in the early hours of the morning. Dont know personally about that , but do know that the odds side of Sukhumvit Road from Soi.3 for 2/3 hundred metres heading South East is the liveliest FL area. Not saying a lot cause quality in this area is definitely lacking.

Along Sukhumvit , some touts show you an Album of girls. Do the girls in the Album exist ? Sit down at one of the side walk 'Cafes' (small tables and fold up chairs) drink a beer , and let him bring the dream doll he is showing you in the Album. Chances are he can't : ) Ambassador Plaza and Soi.11 areas are noteable for these Album touts.

Along Sukhumvit , between Soi 13 (7/11 Store ) - Soi 15 (Thermae) , late at night is supposedly Bangkoks 'Paris', with sidewalk 'cafe's' and interesting people circulating around. An outdoor Thermae . Yes , well its certainly interesting for a voyeur type like me , but dont expect to secure a nice one. It can happen but maybe only one in ten or more reconnoitres.

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No.5 on Map number four above : Thermae Coffee House - Briefly mentioned before under Beer Bars. Here is more detailed info.

1am closing has curtailed Thermaes activities somewhat. The place has air con but its still filled with smoke. You can feel it in your throat shortly after settling in to the place. Japanese or Koreans frequent the place too. Stories of Secretaries etc trying to find rent here are largely 'myth'. Expect to see regular hookers. Some are attractive , most are regular looking. Nevertheless it is one of many spots you should check out .. you just never know , you might get lucky and find a nice one there.

A must for the traditionalists. See History/Background, below.

Your drink ..80 (?) . ST500 if 'b' grade , otherwise 700/1000. LT1000 if 'b' grade , otherwise 1500 or possibly even more. Good ones are snapped up rather quickly. Keep your eyes peeled on the front door and approach any looker rather quickly. If you dont , someone else will : ) You might like to try and short circuit it all , missing the smoke in the process , by sitting at an outside "Bush Garden" table , next to Thermae entrance. Snatch a cutie before she enters Thermae ? Only problem I found .. your about 7mtrs from actual girls = hard to catch their eye , before they enter. If you pay for your 'Bush' drinks as you get them , nothing stopping you from getting up from the table and pursuing girl inside Thermae , bring her out to Bush and have a chat with her , away from the other 'predators' (Mongers).

History/Background : In days gone by and in the early hours of the morning all roads led to Thermae" , aka , Desperado’s Dungeon. A really Lottery, if ever there was one (part of the fun).
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Thermae is a Greek work meaning, something like -‘bath house’.. Thermae was established in 1967. Originally there was Thermae Massage Parlour above with a Coffee Shop below. Popular with American servicemen. Massage girls would drift down to the coffee shop after work. Eventually the Coffee Shop became more popular than the Massage Parlour and why not , prices would have been right , for starters. The Coffee Shop was a bar right from the start. I first visited Thermae in l978 in the old building. In the mid nineteen nighties they pulled it down for high rise development and now its located close to the original spot , between soi 13 and 15 , closer to 15, in the basement of the Ruam Chitt Plaza 199 Sukhumvit Road.

As you face the entrance to the Ruam Chitt , you will see a stairway on the right hand side leading down into the basement and Thermae.

Do not go too early. Its a Nightowl spot and you should not be there before 10/11pm. Closes down 1am/1.30am. If anything happens at Thermae its in that small time frame. Best , to arrive at 11pm , sit at bar , pounce on anything attractive that walks through the door : ) If your smoke sensitive like me , try 'Bush' suggestion above.

No.6 on Map number four above : On the evens side of Sukhumvit Road , in front of Pacific Place near Landmark Hotel (between Soi4 & 6) , is another pick up spot. Always be on guard for katoeys.

Since the governments enforced 1 am closing , ladies who would normally prop at a place like Thermae till sun-up , are now hanging around the streets after 1am looking for a falang fish. It could be you : )

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Siam Hotel Coffee Shop

Closed

Building demolished !

Oh , dear , I always liked to visit Siam Coffee Shop. No more , finished. Building demolished.

If you want to know what it was like before demolition ... read on :

This is the "Thais Thermae" , but a classier scene than Thermae and minus the smoke. Not shown on any of our maps. Location : New Petchaburi Road (Pron : Petboori). If you ask taxi driver for 'Siam Hotel Coffee Shop" chances are he will not understand you. Pronounce Siam : See-Yaam , to be understood. Best to say "Siam Hotel , Petboori Road" (See-Yaam Otel Petboori Rodt) Also , he might mistakingly take you to Siam City Hotel , not the one. Happened to me once. Its about a Bt65/75 taxi ride from the corner of Soi.3. and Sukhumvit Rd.

Let me say early on , if you do not speak Thai and want to have a conversation with the gal of your choice , forget Siam , English is not spoken. As usual exceptions prevail. Not as many girls as Thermae , about fifty at its peak. Laid back , demure , thai style place. Cowboys not welcomed.

There are two coffee rooms at Siam. The only one to consider nowadays is the one at the back 12m/n on'. Front one is a warm up area to 11.30pm before the action in the backroom. Enter main doors of Siam Hotel , turn left and walk through small door to a large coffee shop area (backroom). Alternatively just ask Front Desk "Coffee Shop". 1am to 3am seems to be prime time. Opens till around 6am I believe (never stayed that long). Punters are 99.99% Asian. Koreans , Japanese and Thais. Normally there are no falangs in attendance. Girls do not speak English and will most probably charge you more , cause it tarnishes their image when they walk out with a white caribou. See Yaam meat is meant for Asians not Caucasians.

Prices are Baht1500 ST Baht2/2500 LT. But you can pay less , or more , depends on demand/supply/quality. There are some average looking hookers mixed in amongst attractive ones. Sometimes you've got 9's and 8's there ... lookers. The average looking girls would be worth no more than Bt1000 ST and Bt1500 LT. Glass of beer Bt80 , large bottle Bt135. Beer after 1am but not bottle beer. You might find a couple of 'boilers' (babes past their use by date) acting as Pimps inside Siam. They are handy if you do not speak English. Price goes up using them , but convenient way of getting a girl to your table. Buy female pimp a drink and get her to translate for you. Otherwise Thai language skills help, but money is a great communicator too : )

Short Time rooms are available in the adjoining Siam Hotel itself at Bt450/500 , way to go. Same building. Alternatively you could stay at the Siam , Bt867 Double Room (large bed etc). So convenient come down from your room , see if anything nice in the Coffee Shop , if not walk around to the back street (2 mins) , if not , hop in a taxi and off somewhere else.

There used to be a lot of girls hanging around front of Siam Hotel. Last trip not so (Police drive) Anyway the better ones were always inside. Better ones have money cause they have another bread and butter job eg Massage/KTV whatever and fuck for a higher price = more cash on hand for drinks and food inside Siam. Some times you will find small number of girls under tree to left of entrance to Siam. They are under control of pimps and quality varies , sometimes great , sometimes ordinary. Better than those are the 'Back Road' girls ... read on :

New happening : In the back road , behind Siam Hotel. Update : Siam Hotel has been demolished , presume that got in the way of back road freelance activity , right now , personally do not know for sure. Recent times I have been stuck in Philippines , but when I get to Bangkok I'll check back road scene and report on it. Better still , you report on it now ? : )

Before demolition of Siam Hotel , this was the scene in Backroad :

You will find 30 (eg Sunday night) to 100 girls (eg Friday or Sat night) lining the road and 30 or more cars crawling past checking them out at any one time. Quite a scene. To find back road , exit front main door of Siam Hotel , turn left onto Petchaburi Rd , take first street turn left (30/40 mtrs ?) and then take first left again (30mtrs) , then your on the back road and the girls begin at that corner. Back road runs parallel with Petchaburi Rd. Take a seat at the plastic tables by the road side , drink Beer Chang for 30Bt and observe : ) Alternatively catch a taxi outside Siam Hotel and tell driver to turn first left , then first left again , tell him drive slowly "Lady" , he will understand what your up to. Then on a slow crawl , inspect the ladies standing by the road side. Prices here lower than inside Siam Hotel but still high , as far as I am concerned. They will ask for Bt2000 ST but reckon most of them are not worth more than Bt1000 , with the odd one worth Bt1500 ST. I'm quite sure , if you took your time you would get them for Bt1000 ST.

Which are better , Angels or Siam girls ? Depends , each night varies. Best to check both. Angels has the numbers/quantity and proficiency in English. Siam inside has the quality (not quantity) but speak little or no English , and are most prob uncertain as to falangs requirements. Angels girls speak english and certainly know falangs requirements : )

May 2008 : I am wondering where those nice looking Coffee Shop girls hang out nowadays ?

Watch your valuables with all Freelance girls , regardless of where you meet them.

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MASSAGE PARLOURS

NOTE :

Best hours : 4pm - 6pm for full selection. But nothing guaranteed in that respect. 7pm on the tourist buses loaded with Japanese , whoever , start arriving , scooping up wholesale numbers of girls.

The current big three.

To cut the chase , and save time , the most popular massage parlours nowadays are :

1. Nataree ....2. Tulip ....3. Emmanuelle ....4. Poseidon (Personally I dislike this one)

Add , "Annies Massage" (info below) is the Budget Bangers favourite , and should be added to your list (good service).

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Plaza Entertainment Centre (MP's) is also popular ,especially Cupidy's but you have to take evasive action to avoid taxi commission at this place.

Info on all of them below.

You’ll never run out of Massage Parlours. They are everywhere. The Asoke - Din Daeng - Rama 9 Road area is the Bangkok Massage area. See below , if taxi commission applies , get driver to drop you off then walk away from the place , sit down have a drink whilst driver knicks off = 500 Baht cheaper massage.

Massages are very popular with Westerners and Asians alike. Not a bad way to be introduced to Thailand after a long plane trip. Herein lies a miniscule amount of information about a big subject - Massage. Most guys have their own favourite places.

Kinds of Massage -

Thai/Traditional massage: does not involve any sex. 2/300Bt. I do not supply info on these non sex massages.

Body/Soapy (and , or , Oil) Massage is the one with sex.

Before agreeing to price ,ask the mama/papa-san if the girl of your choice can do the necessary ‘tricks’ (bbbj ; anal etc) . Once that is clarified you can get on with it : bucket of soapy water, you on the air mattress, she lathers you, she rolls and writhes all over your body getting your stick up, blow job, boom boom , one and a half/two hours. Thats a soapy massage. On average, Massage Parlour girls are better looking than the : Freelancers , Beer Bar girls and Go-Go girls. But there are always exceptions : )

MASSAGE PARLOURS walking distance from Soi.4. :

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No.1 on Map number five below : Darling Massage - Sukhumvit Soi. 12 , 5/7 min walk from NEP area. As you turn into Soi.12 you will see a giant Darling Neon sign on your right. Can’t miss it. About 60 girls, Baht 2500 - 2900, (90 mins) plus tip and therefore not cheap. Ignore papa-san when he says "two girls better" , unless of course you want two girls (and two prices). Darling does not pay taxi commissions. Hours , usually 4pm to 11pm. Maybe on Sat/Sunday 1pm on. Darling is mostly a convenience factor , short walk from our recommended accommodation. Better looking girls than Annies (below) , thats for sure. But higher price and possibly better service at Annies.

No.2 on Map number five below : Nana Massage - Apparently located within the Nana Hotel itself , ground floor , near the lifts . Note : Never seen the place myself though. They can send massage girls to your Nana room , apparently. Not talked about much so cant be too great.

No.3 on Map number five below : This is the Rajah Hotel , a short walk down from Nana Hotel. The area that 3 & 4 are in is a large Car Park. You enter the Rajah car park from Soi.4 , passing Rajah to Annies on the same side.

No.4 on Map number five below : Annies Massage - Budget Bangers Massage. Cheaper than any other decent Massage place. www.anniesbangkok.com You will get a reply to your emails from this place (service).

This small sized place goes up and down in popularity. It's clean enough , but needs renovation , often lacking sufficient young attractive girls , other times got em. But for sure its always got location , location , otherwise it might be ignored by some mongers. See location below , short walk from NEP/Nana. Most other MP's involve taxi/train trips. Girls on the older side (still look under 30 , some even teenage). Bt1700 2hrs. Girls here survive on tips , anything from P300/500 tip would be suitable. For Bt2000 and up you can get younger prettier ladies elsewhere (see below) , but maybe not better service. Annies is mostly a price and convenience (location) factor : ) If it satisfies you and your staying in nearby Hotels we list , you have got convenience par excellence. Worth one look at least , might be for you.

Location -

Note : Currently there is apparently construction work going on between Nana Hotel and Rajah Hotel. A new hotel on the rise ? This might interfere with you using the following instructions :

Walking from NEP , away from Sukhumvit/Soi.4. intersection , turn right into Rajah Hotel car parking area at the 7/11 Store. Once you have entered the car park , walk past Rajah Hotel entrance on your left, to 50 metres further , and at the end of parking area on your left hand side, corner of Soi .2. is Annies Balcony Restaurant with greenery dangling from it. Hours - 10am to 12 midnight. Hours may have varied and can be flexible. Up the stairs and straight ahead to a cute bar and a small fishpond to your right. 15/20 girls at any one time. Aey (woman) is the service orientated Manager , who will most likely greet you. Note : do not mix up with any other "Annies" Bar in Rajah car park. Walk all the way to Annies Balcony Restaurant with greenery (plants) (30 mtrs past Rajah entrance). Last on left.

The Mama-san (Aey) will explain all the details to you. Baht 1700 2hrs. A modest tip of 3/500 afterwards would be appropriate. Especially as rumour has it they do not get much of the Bt1700. Nobody knows if that rumour is correct or not. If you come in a taxi , ask for Rajah Hotel. If driver says ‘Massage’, say no, otherwise he will want to take you to another place where he gets commission. Annies does not pay taxi commissions , hence price is not inflated like some other places. See below for info re Taxi Commissions. After being dropped off in front of Rajah’s walk 30/40 mtrs max. (to your right , if you were facing Rajahs front door) to Annies. Location , location , its got location but its lacking in beauty and other aspects. Popular with enough to want to check it out.

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No.5 on Map number five above : This is the Grace Hotel. You pass this on the way to Plaza Massage.

No.6 on Map number five above :

"Plaza Entertainment Centre "

Note : This is another one that has declined in popularity recent times. Still worth a look , if you have time.

How to get there , three possibilities ...

1. A 15 min walk up Soi.3. Coming from corner of Soi.3. and Sukhumvit Road walk up the right hand side of Soi.3. past Grace Hotel etc for 15 more mins , passing over New Petchaburi Road to a T intersection of sorts. If you look to your right at this intersection you will see a high rise with the 'Plaza Entertainment' sign at the top. Actually you will see this sign on the high rise well before you reach that intersection. Turn right at this intersection head straight towards the Plaza sign , through a car park of sorts.

2. Alternatively , if your not the 'athletic' type .... take a taxi to Prince Hotel , and take a short walk through to the tall Plaza Entertainment building (large sign near top). Thus avoiding a taxi commission (Bt500) being added to the cost of your lady. Let taxi driver think your going to Prince. If he says "massage" , say something like : "oh no , have wife" : )

3. Or , if heading for Cupidy Massage , take taxi to front door of Plaza Enter. building and enter its front doors. Do not mention the word 'Cupidy' , ask for PE building only. Once inside the building take the lift/stairs on your right down to Cupidy. Thus fooling the taxi driver , cause you will pay a hefty taxi commission (Bt500) when you order a girl , IF you arrive at Cupidy's front door in a taxi : )

Walk in (no taxi) :

1. Following the '15min walk to' instructions above , you will find on passing through the car park area , underneath and to the right of the Plaza building a neon sign 'Cupidy Massage' Baht 1800 for the fish bowl girls and Baht2200 for the 'sideliners' sitting on the couch. Do not let papa-san push you into a selection. Order a drink sit down , relax , perv and select at your own pace. If papa-san pushy tell him "later" (come back later). If problem with price say "I paid Baht1800 last time" (fishbowl). Check this one out first , as it seems to be more popular than the other two MPs in Plaza building , mentioned below. To my eyes the girls on offer were rather ordinary/regular (nothing special) for massage girls , however , think it was about 9pm , two hours late , and things were hopping. A large group of japanese had just arrived and others were arriving all the time. Pond was rather depleted , lots already taken and shaggin their heads off ? : ) Management pays taxi commission = busy MP. This place is famous cause its busy , cause they pay taxi commission and thus taxi drivers drag falangs to the place kicking and screaming : ) Suggest you enter main Entertainment Plaza door (see above) around 7pm , slip down in the elevator = full display ? , and minus taxi commission of Bt500.

2. If you choose to ignore 'Cupidy' and continue to walk straight ahead all the way to the front of the tall Plaza Entertainment building , then walk up the 'marble' stairway and through the large main door entrance where you will find more Massage girls , both on the ground level and at 6th floor level.

Once inside this building , as I said , walk straight ahead and you will find two seperate ponds (Massage windows) on your left. Herein resides possibly 50/75 in total at any one time , if you arrive before popular ones are taken. Hype says the 'models' are on the 6th Floor. On arrival at 6th Floor , exit elevator turn left , then turn first right , then turn first left , straight ahead across and up steps entering 'Le Lela' Club where I found about twenty so-so babes , not 'models'. Better girls on ground floor and better $ value in 'Cupidy' (basement). NOTE : On my last 'inspection' , there was only one (yes one) girl in large pond and 15/20 in sideline pond , smiling to Japanese customers. Looks like I struck a very busy night AND called too late (9pm). Suggest you call 7pm.

I have not as yet asked re prices (too shy : ) but believe at ground level they are asking Baht2000 for Fishbowl girls and Bt3/4000 for Sideliner girls (smaller pond , no glass). There are some 'lookers' amongst them. Compare Baht1800 at 'Cupidy' down below in the basement , also with some 'lookers' , sometimes. Sixth Floor they ask Baht4/4700 I believe. Certainly not worth it , especially when compared with the girls on the ground floor or Cupidy , in the basement. Two hours , regardless of the MP you select.

Prices in the main building itself are unreal , just as good or better for less elsewhere , eg , Cupidy in the basement. Some guys think cause the price is high the gals are classy. This is only the case some of the times. Be discerning and decide for yourself if the gal/s themselves are 'classy' or the price is just for guys looking for a 'classy' price.

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MASSAGE PARLOURS train/taxi ride from Soi.4. :

Chao Phya .1 and Chao Pyha .2 Massage Parlours :

Note :

Both of these Massage Parlours are now downgraded. They have run their race , run out of steam compared to others.

No.1 on Map number six below : is the Phloem Chit E2 Overhead Sky Train (BTS). You embark here for Chao Phya 1 & 2 Massages. Its a short walk from Soi.4.

No.2 on Map number six below : is the Chit Lom E1 Train Station.

No.3 on Map number six below : is the Siam Central Train Station.

No.4 on Map number six below : is the Ratchathewi N1 Train Station.

No.5 on Map number six below : is the Phaya Thai N2 Train Station. You disembark here for CP1/2.

No.6 on Map number six below : is the Florida Hotel.

No.7 on Map number six below : is Chao Phya .1. Massage Parlour.

As you can see from the map Chao Phya .1. is in Sri Ayuthaya Road/Street . After catching the Skytrain to Phaya Thai N2 Station , you exit Station exit No.4 , and head in a northerly direction turning right at the first intersection , a few short metres away. Your now in Sri Ayuthaya Road , same side as you exit the train , Florida Hotel is on the corner of this intersection (No.6 on the map below). It is then a short walk to Chao Phya.1 Massage Parlour , set back from the footpath. Next door is the Phayathai.1 Hospital (No.8 on the map below).

You will find at Chao Phya .1 a long straight row of 60/80 girls who look younger and possibly prettier than CP2. Reports coming in , saying numbers of girls going down , don't know , do not visit MP's normally. Pushy Papa-san spoils it. Baht 1800 quoted. No tables and chairs to sit and conjure up which one to take. Not the relaxed environment of CP2. On exiting , noticed small Pond on the right , with 10/12 so-called ‘Superstars‘, Baht 2200. Some of which looked downright worn and ugly. Must be good at something : ). Overall - CP2 for me. See under map for info on CP2.

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No.8 on Map number six above : Phayathai .1 Hospital , next door and just past CP1 Massage.

No.9 on Map number six above : Europa Inn where you can get dropped off by the taxi and walk across to CP2.

No.10 on Map number six above :

Chao Phya.2 (CP2) Massage Parlour - 537 Sri Ayuthaya Road/Street.

UPDATE : When reading the info below , bear in mind CP2 has suffered in recent years , both in quantity and quality. It seems other mp's have lured punters away from CP1 and CP2. The spermatic sex scene is ever changing : )

Continuing on past CP.1. Massage , you walk another 5/7 mins (300 mtrs ?) along Sri Ayuthaya Road where you will see on the opposite side of the road a huge Neon sign "Chao Phya.2" on a large building which looks like a 300 bed Hotel. Large car park in front of the building which is set back off the road. When I was there , 1/200 cars parked in car park (lots of humpin and pumpin goin' on : )

To right of CP2's main entrance is "Sexy Night Club". Didnt look too sexy to me at 8.30pm . Most probably kicks off later. Enter main doors of the building and you come across a huge curve shaped fish bowl with up to 70/80 girls of varying categories. Plus more in the rooms , 'doin the deed'. However , numbers might be down nowadays.

There are tables and seats where you can drink a beer and perv, although you are some distance from the 'bowl' , that is the fish bowl where the ladies sit, waiting to be selected. Papa-sans are relaxed types. Not pushy. Signif. number of Thais sitting around perving. Take Baht1900 as the average price for these girls , 90 mins. Three categories Bt1700 ; 1900 ; 2000. Papa-san will explain. Reports coming in lately , say numbers of girls on offer is going down , way down (say only 50 on display nowadays) , don't know , do not visit MP's on a regular basis. If numbers down , its most probably a sign of it's impending 'death'. No taxi commission , to the best of my knowledge , otherwise get out of taxi at Europa Inn to avoid commission.

Taxi - As far as I know , CP2 does not pay taxi commissions , but if you want to avoid that possibility , have the driver drop you off at Europa Inn (No.9 on the Map above) and then walk across to Chao Phya .2 (No.10 on the Map).

UPDATE : On my last 'inspection' , choices were not all that brilliant. This happens all the time at all venues (Freelance Bars , Disco's , Massage , wherever) .. some nights 'lookers' other nights unimpressive. "If at first you do not succeed , try , try again" another place : ) Add : Lately I am starting to think CP2 is on the way out. Give a miss for time being. Concentrate on Nataree , Tulip , Emmanuelle , Poseidon , and Annies.

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OTHER MP's not on any of our Maps :

The following two are possibly the best reasonably priced MP's right now. The third one , "Utopia" is for when you want to splash the cash :

You can visit these via the MRT (Underground train service) , alighting at Huay Kwang Station.

NATAREE - 167/17-20 Ratchadaphisek Road , Ding Daeng. One of most popular MP's right now. Most probably cause they seem to have a lot of young girls. Taxi to it : Alight at Emerald Hotel and walk a few steps to Nataree. If by underground train (MRT) , go to Huai Kwang Station , alight and take exit 3. One hundred metres South is Nataree , near Emerald Hotel.

Entrance to soapy sex massage itself is to the right hand side. Oil non sex massage to left entrance (Bt800). Soapy popular , stocked with pretty gals. Possibly best time 3pm-5pm for full selection. Usually 50 or more girls on display. Hours 1pm-12m/n. Prices - Fishbowl (regular girls) Bt2000 2 hrs. Sideliners Bt2200-3000 1.5hrs. Guys who previously liked CP2 (info above) now like Nataree or Tulip/Emmanuelle (see below).

TULIP - This one stands out because of satisfaction level. Not necessarily the prettiest of girls , but for something like a 'pornl' experience , the lads praise this one. Should not be missed. You should try Nataree , Tulip and Emmanuelle , then maybe Annies. Then you've got some idea of the Bangkok massage scene. Pretty sure no taxi commission applies at Tulip. To get there catch a BTS train to station "E6 Thong Lo" , exit west side , and under station you will find Tulip (806/2-3 Sukhumvit Road , near Thonglor Junction). Hours 10am - 12 midnight. Bt600 to Tulip plus Bt1500 to girl for full sex treatment (90 mins). Possibly the sexiest and best trained massage girls in bangkok.

EMMANUELLE - Also just off Ratchadaphisek Road. One block north of Emerald Hotel. Directions : MRT Underground rail to Huai-Khwang station and take Exit 3 at that station. Walk less than 100mtrs and you will find it set back from the road , on the right hand side. Alternatively , catch a taxi to the Emerald Hotel , alight and walk a short distance in a Northerly direction (towards Huai-Khwang station). This avoids the possibility of a taxi commission. Prices : Bt1900 to Bt3500 plus a Bt600 Farang (foreigner) surcharge. Popular place , worth checking. Not as many girls as Nataree.

Note : Taxi driver might try and take you to some other Massage Parlour where he gets a nice commission. His commission is added onto the price of the girls. He might say , eg "Nataree no good" etc. Do not take any notice of him , and insist on your destination. Better still , go by train , if you can.

UTOPIA - 69/1-3 Rama 9 Rd , Huay Kwang. Catch taxi. To avoid possibility of a taxi commission load : When he goes to turn into Utopia , tell him , "changed mind" and get him to drop you off at a shop few metres further on. Exit taxi , enter shop whatever and when taxi has taken off backtrack to Utopia. Why ? Cause your already going to pay Bt1500 farang/foreigner surcharge on Utopia's already heavy prices. Why cost so much ? Supposedly good looking girls , don't know , never been there , but will go there one day to find out for myself.

Lots of girls , quality , and high prices. Fishbowl Bt2000/2200 + Bt1500 surcharge ; Sideliners Bt2400 + Bt1500 surcharge. There are 'models' too. Better see your Bank Manager before considering them : ) My experience with 'models' , they are tired looking older women with pseudo sophistication. Personally I think they are a set up for suckers. Mention the word 'model' and guys open their wallets : )

Another sucker one is 'students'. Mention 'student' and guys start to salivate (forbidden fruit) and spend accordingly. Lots of 'models' and students are just regular girls , posing as something else (to relieve you of more money).

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Poseidon - Poseidon Entertainment , Ratchadaphisek Rd , opposite Grand Hotel. Suttisarn (Sutthisan) underground (MRT) rail station is 100mtrs North of Poseidon. Getting there by taxi : to Grand Hotel , stop taxi at overpass footbridge. Walk across to ten story pink/orange building. By train : board MRT train to Sutthisan , exit 4 (escalator) to Ratchadaphisek Rd. Poseidon is in a ten story pink/orange building , about 500mtrs South towards Huai-Khwang Station. 1st Flr Karaoke with dancers. Hard if not impossible to take these girls out. 2nd Flr (upstairs) , opens 2pm : Bt2000-2500 for 90mins plus the Bt500 falang (foreigner) surcharge. 3rd Flr (elevator on 1st Flr) , opens 5pm : Bt2900 up to Bt5500 for 90mins plus Bt1000 falang surcharge. Prices vary a lot , they try and suck as much money out of you as possible. If they think you will pay a thousand more than these prices , they will certainly try for it.

UPDATE : Personally visited this place. One of the big three and popular with punters , but over rated in my personal opinion. Other Massage joints listed on this page have just as good and even better girls and prices. There is a certain type of Monger who only sees beautiful girls when he is being charged 'beautiful' (silly) prices. Cause he pays top dollar he convinces himself the girls are 'special'. Dont be one of those fools , look objectively at the girls and decide for yourself .... "are they worth it" ..... answer in respect of Poseidon , for me : "no".

UPDATE2 : Poseidon seems to be declining in popularity. Maybe Utopia (see above) is taking biz away from them ?

Mona Lisa - Another favourite. See Update , last sentence.

Located in New Petchaburi Road close to "Siam Hotel" (not Siam City Hotel). Only problem - they pay taxi commission , so get out at Siam Hotel and walk back to neighbouring Mona Lisa on the same side of the road as Siam Hotel. Reportedly , prices are : Baht1800/2000 for one and a half hours (if no taxi commission).

Update : Apparently closed for renovation or demolition and rebuilding. If rebuilding then you can most probably kiss Mona Lisa goodbye , unless they re-locate of course. 2008 : Latest gossip , it will re-open late 2008.

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Overall : There are a multitude of Massage Parlours in Bangkok. Suggest you sample the tried and true ones outlined on our maps first , then venture to the others later.

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Taxi Commission - No, it's not the name of a Massage Parlour : ) Although it would be appropriate, considering a lot of them pay the taxi drivers commission to bring you to their doorstep and then charge you inflated massage prices to cover the commission.

Remember, if you take a taxi to the front door of a massage parlour, the driver expects a commission from the proprietor. The parlour on most occasions is obliged to pay the driver a commission for the bringing the customer to them, even though you decided to go there without any prompting from the driver. This commission inflates the price of a massage significantly, and can actually run into the hundreds, and thus is best avoided. The idea is to be dropped near the parlour without the driver knowing the parlour is your destination. To be dropped near, you need some landmarks and request driver to drop you at the landmark , and not the parlour .

Massage ? says the driver. No, says the experienced whorist. Then when the taxi has taken off, backtrack to the parlour. Alternatively, get out of the taxi and prop in the first place that serves beer and sit and have a cold beer whilst waiting for the taxi driver to knick off. Its a game, dont let the taxi’s get the better of you on this one. Add’s to the fun of whoring touring and helps your budget no end.

If necessary say to mama-san - "no taxi, what’s your prices", then she’ll know your looking for a good price. Quite often, if a parlour does not pay a taxi commision, as in the case of Annies , the driver will plead that he doesnt know the place and try and steer you towards a taxi commission parlour of his choice. Your the buyer , its always YOUR choice that matters.

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Other places in BANGKOK where you can find

HOOKERS for SEX :

EXPENSIVE BORDELLO

Pegasus Club :

It's No.4 on Map two above.

UPDATE : Save yourself time and read update below : )

In Thailand, the Lady House to beat all lady houses (?). Some call it an Escort Agency. Grandeur and garish opulence at its best/worst , and you pay for it. Sex - those that I know, all say it's ‘great’ . Would you admit otherwise , if you paid big bucks to get it ? : )

Location - 112 Sukhumvit 23, Soi Prasamitr. Catch Sky train to Asok E4 Train Station. Walk along Soi.23, past Soi Cowboy on your left and an Italian Restaurant on your right. Turn into first Soi on your right. Pegasus is a short walk (1/150mtrs ?)down on the right hand side. You can’t miss it. Set back from the road , white pillars and grandeur. Up the steps and through the main door. You will be greeted by a number of sophisticated ladies including the mama/papa-san.

Mamasan quoted to me ST prices as follows: PR (Public Relations) girl - 1700; SL (Sideliner/Sailai) 2200; Model 3200. Double those figs for All Night. So if you took a Model All Night it would cost you 6400 plus 2700 initial drinks plus Tip the next morning, in the order of 1000 I suppose. Tips are definitely in the "up to you" category. If you give Baht2/500 to other girls then these girls would be expecting 1000 min I suggest. Total outlay for a Model = Baht 10,000 , at a gestimate. Note : Prices never stand still. They rarely go down , but do go up : )

See my Update below.

Think these girls are actually trained (as in a school) to provide mature/sophisticated sex service. Good lookers ? - Supposedly so, but guys who pay big bucks only see what they want to see - 'classy'/expensive looking ladies. I tried and failed to have a look at them without spending big bucks. See Wednesday Waffle Article .3. 8th May 2002 titled - "Stolen Photo's" , for more details of what I experienced when I entered Pegasus ( incl's photo's , outside of bldg only).

Membership - Some say if you join (Baht60,000 for 3 years) the sex is not so expensive.

From a cynics viewpoint, I say you pay for the expensive real estate , decor and expensive clothes and sophistication of the ladies and not their beauty or talent in bed. But there are some guys around who only think the ladies are beautiful if they pay a beautiful (expensive) price. Not me : )

How about you trot along there and send in your report ? : )

UPDATE : October 2005 I 'gate crashed' , paid Bt900 for a beer and saw the Merchandise. Disappointed. They were typical pretty massage parlour girls , nothing more. Also the figs mama quoted me , it would cost around Bt11,000 to have one drink , her one drink and then out the door for an all nighter. Are they worth it ? Certainly not , says me. Thats the equivalent of x 6 pretty massage girls ! See "Fishin for Fun - 2" (NEW pages) for more details (incl. pic) on my 'inspection' of this place (Oct 2005). 2008 : Think you will find your beer is still Bt900 and a Ladies Drink is Bt900 ! Forget it folks , its a joke.

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Soi. 7/1. "EDENS" -

Pic of outside in "Fishin for Fun - 2" (NEW page/link).

Edens is a Fantasy House of sorts , with Toys , Costumes (Fetish Lingerie/Uniforms etc). A controversial place. It seems that those who like the place are forever defending it against those who do not like it. Controversy is good for business , hence no doubt a lot of punters go there out of curiosity to see for themselves what it's like : )

Those that like the place say : The sex is great.

Those that do NOT like the place say : The gals are not pretty and are on the older side and that good sex can be found elsewhere for less.

I've come across more of those that are in favour than against the place. Not my scene , never personally tried it.

Seems to me , if you want something different (uniforms/toys etc) and are not worried about the prices and the more 'maturer' ladies on offer , give it a try.

Located in Soi.7/1 (use Maps above , eg Map No.1 as a reference point). Not Soi.7. itself, but further up towards Soi .9.. It’s a lane in between Soi.7 and Soi.9 and Edens is located approx 100 metres in from Suk’ on the right hand side. Hours 12.30pm Noon to 12midnight. Best selection times : 1pm to 10pm. Naturally , 1pm best.

It's B3600 for two girls , 90 mins. You have to pay Bt3600 even if you only take one girl , same price. It's a two girl scene on offer here. No exceptions to this '2' policy. Except you can take one , but still pay for two : )

For take-away (back to your Hotel) it's Bt3600 (2 girls) 90 mins , during hours of 1pm to 10pm. Finish time for girl is 6am next morning. There are other complicated prices , but it never gets less than Bt3600 90mins.

You can not sit around and drink beers , perving on the ladies whilst you make up your mind. Management expects you to make up your mind re which one you are taking , after one drink.

Compare sexy massage for Baht 1500 (same duration : 90mins) at a place like Annies , a short walk away (See Massage Notes above). PS : Not everyone likes Annies , just like not everyone likes Edens. No one establishment can please all the customers all the time : ) You should also consider Freelancers @ Bt1000 (see Freelancer notes above).

To each his own , if you go to Edens and get your rocks off and see it as value , then that is all you need : )

Edens website : www.edenclub-bkk.com has been removed from the Internet for 'politically correct' reasons. Alternative way to contact Edens : edenpapa@ksc.th.com ........... hope that email address still works as there is a new owner , but same Manager.

All of this info belongs to : www.whorist.com

"Escorts Bangkok" - Ive put this one in here cause apparently they are doing a similar (but not the same) scene as Edens (listed above). That is school costumes/fantasy and the like , and most importantly you do not have to take two girls. Not sure of the price but believe works out cheaper cause only one girl involved. For details : www.escorts-bangkok.com (not to be confused with 'bangkok escorts'). Apparently Edens still reigns supreme when it comes to the better sex. It's subjective , perhaps you should try both : ) UPDATE : Havent heard about this place in ages. Check their website first.

Soi .1. "Club.1" ,aka, "No.1 Gentlemans Club" -

Use Map No.1 above as a reference point (Soi.1).

UPDATE : Read update below first.

About 4/500 metres in from Sukhumvit Road on the right hand side. It has a shop appearance with curtains and the words "Karaoke" out the front. Hours 6pm - 2am , about 12 regular looking girls at Baht 2000 , 90 mins on the premises or Baht 4000 LT , take away. The owner is trying to create the impression of a Lounge Bar ..... ie some sophistication. Personally , I do not pay for the furniture/gift wrapping , I pay for babes with young healthy bodies , and at 4000 LT , and not especially good looking , this place does not represent value for me. Maybe if you visited the place you would see it through more favourable eyes ?

UPDATE : It's 'character' , layout etc may have changed since the above info was written. Management might be experiencing problems with the Authorities too. No one talks about this place nowadays. Not a good sign : ) Check their website ( www.numberonebangkok.com ) where you might gleen more info. Otherwise , forget it : )

ART BARS/LOUNGES :

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NOTE : I have not visited these places for yonks. No one talks about them much. Not value. If you like pseudo sophistication , its for you : )

Soi . 33 - . 6pm - 1am . You can walk to this area from Soi Cowboy/Pegasus but not from Soi.4. Too far. Suggest you catch the Sky train to Phrom Phong E5 Station and backtrack a little to Soi.33.

These places are not cheap. Bar Fine Bt1500 - Bt2500 or possibly even more !, ST2000/3000 , LT3000/5000 is typical.

Can be more earlier in night , can be less late in the night. Your paying for the pseudo sophistication and decor when you visit the Art Bars/Lounges. Same girls can be found elsewhere without the expensive dress and atmosphere for a lot less. Also , there is no guarantee the gal will go with you , even if you have paid the 'bar fine' , and if she does go with you to a Restaurant/Disco , whether or not she'll go to your room later on and have sex. Also note : BJ's are not normally on the menu with these type of girls. Of course handsome guys score better :) Me being a regular guy (no hunk ) 'pretence places' like this are not my kettle of fish.

Paying the barfine does not guarantee that the lady goes with you, or if she goes with you that she does the deed . Some of these ladies are ‘companions’ only. Check this out before paying a bar fine. My suggestion is buy one Ladies Drink only and see if you can meet the gal next day , avoiding the expensive Bar Fine.

"Monet" , "The Office" and "Renoir" are the long standing popular ones. Some other bars in Soi.33 pad their bills etc. Beware.

If you want to go with a buddy and sip a few beers in a 'classy' environment , smile and chat with expensively dressed girls , then go for it. Otherwise stick to other places listed on this website. Continued .....

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You will find out by reading the following , I do not like these 'Art Bars'.

Chits/Bills ... you will see I keep saying "watch your chits/bills". Such is necessary at Soi.33.

How to get there ... on exiting Suk’ Road and about 75mtrs down Soi.33 on left hand side is Christies Club (unpopular , padded bills/chits) , then a further 75 metres , more Art Bars on both sides of the street , with names like : Renoir (popular but watch chits/bills) ; Monet (popular) ; Goya (give a miss) ; Napoleon (not so popular anymore , possibility of padded bill/chit) ; 'Dali' etc. Dali watch your bills/chits. About 15/20 in all. Owners call them clubs , but punters call them Art Bars cause of their names.

Monet and Renoir (on right hand side before Monet) appear to be the more popular of the bunch (subjective). Renoir can be 'pushy' and watch the Ladies Drinks , they might try and rip you off at Renoir. Monet (and Dali above) can have padded bill probs though, watch it here and anywhere else in Soi.33 regardless if 'popular' or not. Best time, early in the evening before they jack up the price of drinks, 9pm on . Before 9pm YD Baht 90 , Baht 125/150 thereafter (ask before you order , prices are more likely to have gone up than down : ). *LD same as YD . After a set 45 minutes (varies , ask before hand) you have to buy another LD otherwise the Lady leaves you. Note : These prices might have increased recently.

"The Office" , is a relatively newcomer. Not pushy , and apparently nice gals , but this can change over time. Location - walking down Soi.33 past Novotel Lotus on your left , you will find a Soi (laneway) to your right. Turn into this Soi and at the end of and on the left is 'The Office'. Apparently worth the visit , and maybe even superior to Monet and Renoir (old favourites). Suggest you arrive 6 - 8pm when this place is most active.